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title: "Episode 15: Dev Rel"
description: "In this episode of Exponential, Dylan Kawalec, Head of Developer Relations at Phala Network, breaks down how Phala is building verifiable compute infrastructure using trusted hardware and open-source tooling. The goal: privacy-preserving execution environments that don’t rely on centralized cloud services or blind trust. In the episode, we mention a podcast that Dylan recorded with Nexus Chief Scientist Jens Groth. Here is the link to that show: https://creators.spotify.com/pod/profile/blackbox-podcast3/episodes/E06-with-Jens-Groth-Scaling-Zero-Knowledge-Proofs-with-Instruction-Sorting-e3a0r69 More details about this episode are at blog.nexus.xyz."
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# Episode 15: Dev Rel

**Speaker:** [Dylan Kawalec](https://www.speakrphone.com/DylanKawalec.md)
**Date:** 2025-11-06

In this episode of Exponential, Dylan Kawalec, Head of Developer Relations at Phala Network, breaks down how Phala is building verifiable compute infrastructure using trusted hardware and open-source tooling. 

The goal: privacy-preserving execution environments that don’t rely on centralized cloud services or blind trust.

In the episode, we mention a podcast that Dylan recorded with Nexus Chief Scientist Jens Groth. Here is the link to that show: 

https://creators.spotify.com/pod/profile/blackbox-podcast3/episodes/E06-with-Jens-Groth-Scaling-Zero-Knowledge-Proofs-with-Instruction-Sorting-e3a0r69

More details about this episode are at blog.nexus.xyz.

## Topics
- Developer relations
- Phala Network
- Trusted Computing
- open-source software
- privacy-enhancing technologies

## Resources
- [YouTube - Episode 15: Dev Rel](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qWtZ1V7kj8)